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Confucius le Perfectionniste

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Sujet: Confucius le Perfectionniste 10/2/2012, 21:02

(550-480) </embed></div><br />> Bien des légendes entourent l'histoire de la vie de ce grand homme de savoir de la Chine ancienne.<br /><br />On dit qu'il mesurait plus d'1m80, qu'il avait les oreilles pendantes, un nez écrasé et des dents de lapin. Bref, un physique peu agréable mais compensé par une intelligence précoce. <br /><br />Confucius fut magistrat presque toute sa vie. Il souhaitait améliorer le sort de ses contemporains, et croyait la chose possible : selon lui, il suffisait d'adopter une attitude plus raisonnable face à la vie. A 60 ans passés, il s'entoura d'un groupe de disciples, qui allaient répandre ses idées dans le pays. Mais, avant de les laisser partir, il les soumettait à de longues séances de discipline mentale.<br /><br />Aux temps de méditation, succédaient de profondes discussions sur des sujets concrets, notamment les problèmes d'ordre et de gouvernement, souvent d'une actualité brûlante.<br /><br />Juriste, il fut aussi poète. Mais Confucius écrivait peu. La plupart des maximes et autres sentences qu'on lui attribue sont en réalité tirées des écrits de ses disciples. Elles ont été, en revanche, été enregistrées longtemps après sa mort, d'après la tradition orale. Elles furent publiées dans un ouvrage intitulé <i>les Entretiens de Confucius</i>, qui est devenu le livre le plus célèbre de l'histoire littéraire chinoise.<br /><br />Ces <i>Entretiens</i> révèlent bien l'homme que fut Confucius : à la fois grave, consciencieux, mais surtout doué d'un grand sens de l'humour. Comme l'écrivit un de ses élèves : " <i>il n'avait aucune présomption; il n'était jamais arrogant ni outrecuidant; et jamais il ne s'entêtait</i> ". Sa doctrine était très simple : vivre une vie bonne et ordonnée, dans le respect des exigences de l'Etat, de la famille et de la raison.<br /><br />Ses idées furent longuement étudiées par des générations de lettrés qui lui succédèrent, surtout dans le domaine politique. Mencius, par exemple, pensait que le bonheur du peuple devait être le but suprême de l'Etat. Sun Tzu professait que l'homme est méchant par nature, et que le bien ne peut se réaliser que suivant un système de lois appliquées par de sages gouvernants.<br /><br />Un enseignement dont ferait bien de s'inspirer tous nos hommes politiques...</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>J'aime</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Je n'aime pas</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--151094" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Revenir en haut" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Aller en bas" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://ump25.probb.fr/forum.htm" title="Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://ump25.probb.fr/forum.htm" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--151095" id="p151095" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="151095" style="position: relative; 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top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="151096"></a><strong>OmbreBlanche</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile"><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3212/14/67/43/avatars/35-36.jpg" alt="OmbreBlanche" style="max-width: 200px; max-height: 600px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#0f264f;"></span></span> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_minigender_male.gif" alt="Masculin" title="Masculin" /> <span class="label"><span style="color:#0f264f;">Nombre de messages</span> : </span> 11154<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#0f264f;">Age</span> : </span> 51<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#0f264f;">Localisation</span> : </span> Nord Franche-Comté (25)<br /><span class="label">Date d'inscription : </span> 16/11/2008<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Confucius le Perfectionniste Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" />Sujet: Re: Confucius le Perfectionniste   <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Confucius le Perfectionniste Empty" border="0" />10/2/2012, 21:09</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Ungern a écrit:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><strong>Est ce qu'il se tapait ses disciples ?</strong></dd> </dl><br /><strong>> Non, pas de ça en Chine. C'est contre nature.<br /><br />Confucius prônait une vie saine et ordonnée. Pas de débauche.</strong></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>J'aime</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Je n'aime pas</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--151096" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Revenir en haut" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Aller en bas" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://ump25.probb.fr/forum.htm" title="Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://ump25.probb.fr/forum.htm" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--151127" id="p151127" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="151127" style="position: relative; 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C'est contre nature.</dd> </dl><br /><br />Oui, alors qu'ailleurs, c'est la norme.<br /><br /><br />Mab</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--151180" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Revenir en haut" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Aller en bas" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--151185" id="p151185" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="151185" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="151185"></a><strong>Zora232</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile"><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/avatars/gallery/Cinema_h/Cinema_h_24.jpg" alt="Zora232" style="max-width: 200px; 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C'est contre nature.</dd> </dl><br /><br />Oui, alors qu'ailleurs, c'est la norme.<br /><br /><br />Mab</dd> </dl><br /><strong>> C'est bien pour cela que la Chine a construit la Grande Muraille : pour se protéger des Barbares et de leurs moeurs dégénérées ...</strong> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="Twisted Evil" longdesc="13" /> </div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 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