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Sujet: Al-Qaida's budget slips through the cracks 14/11/2008, 22:57
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U.S. clamps down on banking transactions; terror group finds new funding
By Robert Windrem and Garrett Haake NBC News updated 7:56 a.m. ET Nov. 14, 2008 Seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. intelligence officials believe they've won many small victories against al-Qaida's ability to finance its operations, but they remain unable to put a concrete dollar figure on their impact.
That's because they have no reliable estimate of al-Qaida's overall budget, according to current and former U.S. counterterrorism officials, which means the only measures of the organization's economic health are sporadic, anecdotal and fragmentary.
"When you see a cell complaining that it hasn't received its monthly or biannual stipend and it's unable to pay the salaries of the people in the cell, unable to make the support payments to the families of terrorists living or dead, that's a tremendous indicator we have pressured the financial channel," said Adam Szubin, the director of the U.S. Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control and the man in charge of tracking terrorist finance. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27644191
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Sujet: 399 - The new D.C.: Same as it ever was 12/2/2009, 17:11
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By CHARLES MAHTESIAN & PATRICK O'CONNOR | 2/12/09 4:25 AM EST
Photo: AP
The first month of the new administration has been marked by extreme division.
So much for post-partisanship.
Not a single House Republican crossed the aisle to vote for the stimulus package, and just three GOP senators made the leap. Last week, Speaker Nancy Pelosi brushed off calls for a bipartisan consensus as mere “process,” hardly relevant to the passage of the $800 billion-plus plan.
Democrats are carpet-bombing the districts of vulnerable Republicans with negative ads. At noon Wednesday, Republican Study Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.) stood outside the Speaker’s office and filmed a brief video in which he claimed “there are more shady deals going on behind closed doors.”
While no one expected Obama’s pledge to fix our “broken politics” would be met quickly or easily, the first month of the new administration has been marked by extreme polarization, with hints of more to come.
"They're not interested in building anything. Their only goal is seek and destroy. You can't have bipartisanship with only one side," said Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.). "Once we put them back in the minority, they've gone back to the Gingrich model."
“It doesn’t have to be this way, but Pelosi continues to operate in a narrow, partisan way,” said Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.). “In the end, she’s undermining Obama’s pledge of bipartisanship.”
So despite Obama’s campaign call for an end to “the smallness of our politics” and his criticism of the “preference for scoring cheap political points,” that’s exactly what’s happened during the first big legislative test of his administration. The tooth-and-nail scrapping among legislators makes clear that, Obama era or not, almost everyone in office is still considered fair game.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) charged Tuesday that House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-Wisc.) failed to divulge that his son Craig was lobbying him on the economic recovery package, while Rep. John Carter (R-Texas) offered a resolution calling on House Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) to step down from his post while an ethics probe into his personal finances continues.
A day later, MoveOn.org, a liberal organization founded by two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who “shared deep frustration with the partisan warfare in Washington D.C. and the ridiculous waste of our nation's focus at the time of the impeachment mess,” weighed in with a radio ad nailing Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) for missing Monday’s cloture vote on the stimulus package.
"You’d think Senator John Cornyn would be fightin’ like hell for Texas. But just a month into a new term, Cornyn made it clear who he really works for," says the narrator. "On Monday instead of voting to save tens of thousands of jobs and billions in tax cuts for Texas, Senator Cornyn was in New York City toasting Wall Street donors and political insiders – the same people who got us into this mess. Cornyn said he didn’t show up, ‘cause his vote wouldn’t have made a difference. But when Wall Street needed a bailout, Cornyn was there and he voted to give them seven hundred billion dollars."
If anything, the stimulus debate suggests that the scope of that crisis and the amount of money required to revive the economy, when combined with the toxic environment on Capitol Hill, may make Obama’s bi-partisan—or post-partisan—goals unattainable.
"Their strategy,” concludes Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), “is to be obstructionist no matter how inclusive the process is."
House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) put the shoe on the other foot, of course.
"Despite our repeated attempts to work with President Obama and the Democrat Majority, Speaker Pelosi has refused to meet with us, or even include us in key negotiations, choosing instead to stick with a pork-filled bill that even members of her own party do not support," he said in a statement.
While Obama himself has made highly-publicized overtures aimed at building broader support for the stimulus plan, when those failed to build Republican support he too has played the old politics, even while preaching a new brand.
In his first White House press conference Monday, Obama didn't hesitate to go on the offensive when discussing Republican objections to his spending plan.
“First of all, when I hear that from folks who presided over a doubling of the national debt, then I just want them to not engage in some revisionist history,” he said. “I inherited the deficit that we have right now, and the economic crisis that we have right now.”
But at the same news conference, Obama again sounded a post-partisan note, suggesting that even as the players around him had all but given up on a new approach, he still hadn't.
“[H]opefully the tone that I've taken, which has been consistently civil and respectful, will pay some dividends over the long term,” he said. “There are going to be areas where we disagree, and there are going to be areas where we agree.”
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Sujet: 400 - WOW! Sen. Judd Gregg (republicain) nomme Secretaire au Commerce retire sa candidature... 12/2/2009, 23:31
... citant "conflits insolubles" concernant le plan de relance d'Obama et le recensement (que la Maison Blanche a decide de prendre sous sa surveillance pour calmer les esprits Democrates qui n'ont aucune confiance en Sen. Gregg - Le recensement depend du Secretariat au Commerce... - a ce sujet, les Republicains ont prevenu que si NNP persistait, ils deposeraient plainte devant la cour federale *)
Gregg Withdraws Nomination to for Commerce Secretary
Judd Gregg has withdrawn his nomination for U.S. commerce secretary. FOXNews.com
Thursday, February 12, 2009
Republican Sen. Judd Gregg withdrew his nomination to be President Obama's commerce secretary on Thursday, citing "irresolvable conflicts" over issues like the economic stimulus package and the Census.
In doing so, the New Hampshire senator became the first Cabinet-level nominee to withdraw his name in protest. "It has become apparent during this process that this will not work for me as I have found that on issues such as the stimulus package and the Census there are irresolvable conflicts for me," Gregg said in a written statement.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson withdrew his name for the same position of commerce secretary in January amid an ethics investigation in his state. And Tom Daschle withdrew his name for health and human services secretary over criticism about his failure to pay taxes on unreported income.
Gregg, in a written statement, said he's withdrawing his name because his and Obama's policy views are too different. "Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy," he said. "Obviously the president requires a team that is fully supportive of all his initiatives."
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* GOP leaders criticize White House role in census
By HOPE YEN – 1 hour ago WASHINGTON (AP) — Partisan bickering is complicating next year's high-stakes census count of the nation's population. House GOP leaders on Thursday criticized plans for increased White House involvement in next year's count, challenging the president to find a new nominee for commerce secretary if he has doubts about Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "If President Obama doesn't trust Sen. Gregg to oversee a fair and accurate census, he should withdraw the nomination," said GOP conference chairman Mike Pence, R-Ind.
INCROYABLE, ce CHANGEment, tout-de-meme!
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Sujet: 401 - Une des passagers de l'avion qui s'est ecrase a Buffalo.. 13/2/2009, 13:39
.., Beverly Rooney, etait la veuve d'un employe d'Aon Risk Management, Sean Rooney. Elle allait celebrer au lycee ou ils se sont rencontres ce qui aurait du etre le 58eme anniversaire de son mari en creant une bourse en son nom. Elle etait la co-presidente du groupe Les Voix du 11 Septembre.
Tragedy Strikes Twice: September 11 Widow Killed in Buffalo Plane Crash
Friday, February 13, 2009
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Feb. 12: Family members leave the Buffalo Niagara Airport after Continental Airlines Flight 3407 crashed into a home in Clarence Center, N.Y.
One of the victims of the Buffalo plane crash that killed 49 was the widow of a man who died in the September 11 attacks, reports say.
Beverly Eckert, a resident of Stamford, Conn., was flying to the city for a celebration of what would have been her husband Sean Rooney's 58th birthday.
"We know she was on that plane and now she's with him," her sister Sue Bourque told the Buffalo News.
She said the family had not yet received official confirmation of her sister's fate, but the reality was setting in.
Eckert and her husband were high school sweethearts in Buffalo.
Rooney worked in the World Trade Center for Aon Risk Management Services on the 105th floor[/size] when terrorists flew two planes into the twin towers.
He left a message on his wife's voicemail that day saying: "There has been an explosion in World Trade One - that's the other building. It looks like a plane struck it. It's on fire at about the 90th floor. And it's, it's - it's horrible. Bye."
Eckert later became co-chairwoman of the group Voices of September 11th, an advocacy group that pushed for more investigation into the attacks. She was scheduled to deliver an address to Canisius High School, where her husband’s legacy was to be honored with a scholarship.
The plane crash near Buffalo was the first fatal crash of a commercial airliner in the U.S. in 2 1/2 years.
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Evidemment, il y a toujours ceux qui continuent a dire que les avions etaient vides ce 11 septembre
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Sujet: 402 - La crise a des consequences surprenantes 13/2/2009, 15:00
Nombreux sont les immigrants hispaniques qui, face au chomage, decident de prendre le chemin du retour vers leur pays d'origine - pourtant, la situation n'y est pas plus attractive.
Lors de manifestations il y a quelques annees, les drapeaux deployes etaient presque uniquement mexicains. Suite a une reaction quelque peu outree des Americains, les drapeaux sortis au cours des manifestations suivantes etaient... americains.
S'il est difficile de leur reprocher leur attitude, elle montre tout-de-meme bien, a situation economique egale, de quel cote leur coeur penche.
FEBRUARY 13, 2009, 12:10 A.M. ET
After the boom | Dispatches From the Downturn
As U.S. Job Opportunities Fade, More Mexicans Look Homeward By MIRIAM JORDAN
LOS ANGELES -- During a decade in the U.S., Mexican immigrant Linex Rivera gave birth to three daughters, whose American citizenship offered her hope of staying in the land of opportunity. But with job prospects drying up for her husband, Ms. Rivera last week joined a phalanx of compatriots at the Mexican consulate in Los Angeles inquiring about obtaining Mexican citizenship for their children.
"We are thinking of returning to Mexico and want our daughters to have all the rights of Mexican nationals," says Ms. Rivera, whose children are nine, five and three.
After a historic immigration wave, many Mexicans and other Latin Americans are preparing to return to their homelands amid the deepening recession here. Mexicans who reside in the U.S. sought Mexican citizenship for their U.S.-born children in record numbers last year.
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Sujet: 403 - Tiens, tiens.. 13/2/2009, 15:12
Obama doit calmer la peur (alors qu'il ne fait que l'activer depuis des semaines maintenant!)
After Curbing Enthusiasm, Obama Must East Anxiety
To commander-in-chief and economist-in-chief, President Barack Obama now has a chance to add this title to his portfolio: psychologist-in-chief. In the story of the Obama administration, this week will go down as the one in which the president's team succeeded in getting the deal it absolutely had to have with Congress on an economic-stimulus package. The process wasn't always pretty, but by historical standards the speed in passing a signature economic measure is impressive.
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This also is the week in which the administration flatly failed in its effort to sell Wall Street on a parallel plan to stabilize financial markets, and when it saw Sen. Judd Gregg become the third Cabinet nominee to pull the plug before taking office.
On all those fronts, though, the psychological strain has been significant. Put simply, average Americans as well as the financial markets look more than a little scared right now. While that fear actually has been useful for Mr. Obama in pushing through the stimulus plan, it now may be time to engage in a little Franklin Roosevelt-style, all-we-have-to-fear-is-fear-itself soothing.
Handling public expectations is a balancing act for any president, and anxiety can be both an advantage and a disadvantage to a White House. Consider the landscape the Obama administration already has traversed in its still-short life.
Mr. Obama, whose campaign message was summarized in the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope," prepared to take over amid what can fairly be described as a surplus of hope. Americans shocked by the rapid deterioration of the economy around them, and fearing for their jobs and their homes, seemed to be looking for something -- anything -- to make them feel better. Many of their hopes and aspirations were poured into a vessel named Barack Obama.
The phenomenon could be seen in polling numbers. After Mr. Obama secured the Democratic presidential nomination last summer, 46% of those surveyed by The Wall Street Journal and NBC News found him to have strong leadership qualities. Just before he was inaugurated, that number had risen to 70%.
Just before November's election, 12% said the country was headed in the right direction. By Inauguration Day, that had more than doubled, to 26%. Only two things had really changed: The economy actually had gotten a lot worse, and Mr. Obama was about to become president. ...
It's worth remembering that the country survived some pretty horrific economic problems in 1974 and 1975, and again from 1980 to 1982. False hope isn't useful, but neither is a lack of hope. Somewhere in between lies a healthy psychological place, toward which Mr. Obama now can try to steer the nation. Actually, he'll soon get a golden opportunity, when he addresses a joint session of Congress, and the nation beyond, on Feb. 24.
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Sujet: 404 - Obama's Rhetoric Is the Real 'Catastrophe' 15/2/2009, 00:32
Opinion FEBRUARY 13, 2009, 11:43 P.M. ET
By BRADLEY R. SCHILLER
President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form. He has repeatedly raised the specter of another Great Depression. First, he did so to win votes in the November election. He has done so again recently to sway congressional votes for his stimulus package.
In his remarks, every gloomy statistic on the economy becomes a harbinger of doom. As he tells it, today's economy is the worst since the Great Depression. Without his Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he says, the economy will fall back into that abyss and may never recover.
This fearmongering may be good politics, but it is bad history and bad economics. It is bad history because our current economic woes don't come close to those of the 1930s. At worst, a comparison to the 1981-82 recession might be appropriate. Consider the job losses that Mr. Obama always cites. In the last year, the U.S. economy shed 3.4 million jobs. That's a grim statistic for sure, but represents just 2.2% of the labor force. From November 1981 to October 1982, 2.4 million jobs were lost -- fewer in number than today, but the labor force was smaller. So 1981-82 job losses totaled 2.2% of the labor force, the same as now.
Job losses in the Great Depression were of an entirely different magnitude. In 1930, the economy shed 4.8% of the labor force. In 1931, 6.5%. And then in 1932, another 7.1%. Jobs were being lost at double or triple the rate of 2008-09 or 1981-82.
This was reflected in unemployment rates. The latest survey pegs U.S. unemployment at 7.6%. That's more than three percentage points below the 1982 peak (10.8%) and not even a third of the peak in 1932 (25.2%). You simply can't equate 7.6% unemployment with the Great Depression.
Other economic statistics also dispel any analogy between today's economic woes and the Great Depression. Real gross domestic product (GDP) rose in 2008, despite a bad fourth quarter. The Congressional Budget Office projects a GDP decline of 2% in 2009. That's comparable to 1982, when GDP contracted by 1.9%. It is nothing like 1930, when GDP fell by 9%, or 1931, when GDP contracted by another 8%, or 1932, when it fell yet another 13%.
Auto production last year declined by roughly 25%. That looks good compared to 1932, when production shriveled by 90%. The failure of a couple of dozen banks in 2008 just doesn't compare to over 10,000 bank failures in 1933, or even the 3,000-plus bank (Savings & Loan) failures in 1987-88. Stockholders can take some solace from the fact that the recent stock market debacle doesn't come close to the 90% devaluation of the early 1930s.
Mr. Obama's analogies to the Great Depression are not only historically inaccurate, they're also dangerous. Repeated warnings from the White House about a coming economic apocalypse aren't likely to raise consumer and investor expectations for the future. In fact, they have contributed to the continuing decline in consumer confidence that is restraining a spending pickup. Beyond that, fearmongering can trigger a political stampede to embrace a "recovery" package that delivers a lot less than it promises. A more cool-headed assessment of the economy's woes might produce better policies.
Mr. Schiller, an economics professor at the University of Nevada, Reno, is the author of "The Economy Today" (McGraw-Hill, 2007).
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Sujet: 405 - 15/2/2009, 00:46
Some Critics Blame Emanuel for Obama's Cabinet Troubles
Sen. Judd Gregg's withdrawal came just three weeks into Obama's presidency and on the heels of several other Cabinet troubles.
FOXNews.com
Saturday, February 14, 2009
President Obama's latest Cabinet setback -- the sudden withdrawal of Republican Sen. Judd Gregg as commerce secretary nominee -- has put the White House on the defensive, particularly Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, whom some critics blame for cracks in the vetting process.
"They need to do a better job in their vetting process," said Kurt Bardella, a spokesman for Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif. An administration gets a pass for botching the selection of one nominee, he said, "but the third or fourth time, you have to start asking, are people doing their jobs?"
Gregg's withdrawal came just three weeks into Obama's presidency and on the heels of several other Cabinet troubles. He still needs to fill two vacancies -- at the Commerce and Health and Human Services departments. Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle withdrew his nomination for the latter post amid a tax controversy, while Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was confirmed by the Senate despite revelations that he had not paid some of his taxes on time.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was Obama's first choice for commerce secretary. He withdrew in early January following the disclosure that a grand jury is investigating allegations of wrongdoing in the awarding of contracts in his state. Richardson has not been implicated personally.
Obama told FOX News in an interview right after Dascle's withdrawal earlier this month that he takes full responsibility. "I consider this a mistake on my part, one that I intend to fix and correct and make sure that we're not screwing up again," Obama said.
"Ultimately I have to take responsibility for a process that resulted in us not having a (health and human services) secretary at a time when people need relief on their health care costs."
The troubles come as the new president expends political capital in Washington -- and around the country -- for his economic package and is seeking to move forward with an ambitious agenda in the midst of an economic recession. Emanuel acknowledged to reporters Thursday that some might question the administration's early competence. "Some may call it amateur hour," Emanuel said, but he thinks -- given Obama's accomplishments so far -- that the current administration measures up well to the Clinton administration, in which Emanuel worked as a senior adviser from 1993 to 1998.
But Bardella says Emanuel's notorious brand of brass-knuckles politics has contributed to Obama stumbling out of the gate.
"I think what you're seeing is what happens when the rhetoric of your campaign clashes with how you decide to run your operation," he said, claiming that Obama has failed to govern from the center by politicizing the West Wing. "You do not pick Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff without knowing what kind of politics he will bring in the West Wing." Emanuel's combative style as political director in the early days of the Clinton administration earned him the nickname "Rahmbo," after the flame-throwing movie character Rambo.
He was elected to Congress in 2002 and quickly became a major power. He wound up overseeing the party's House election efforts in 2006 and helped win a majority for Democrats through tireless fundraising and candidate recruitment.
Doug Schoen, a Democratic consultant and a former adviser to the Clinton White House who worked with Emanuel, said it's hard to defend or attack Emanuel without knowing how involved he's been in the vetting process.
"To criticize the administration directly for an ineffective vetting process makes sense," he said. "To put it all on Rahm doesn't strike me as fair or appropriate."
But Bardella believes Obama, by bringing Emanuel on board to answer critics who thought he wasn't tough enough, underestimated the impact Emanuel would have on his administration.
"In some ways, the different styles complement each other," he said. "Unfortunately, thus far, the different styles have ended up colliding with each other and the results have been bungled nominees."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Sujet: 406 - Yes we can... you'll see 15/2/2009, 01:23
http://www.politico.com/
Dernière édition par Sylvette le 15/2/2009, 01:45, édité 1 fois
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Sujet: 407 - NNP vu par 3 chaines 15/2/2009, 01:44
A dire vrai si NNP s'est souvent soit compare soit declare etre l'emule des deux presidents, il ne s'est jamais officiellement presente comme un remake du grand timonier (d'autant que c'est bien connu, la gauche n'existe pas aux Etats Unis... ou si peu!)
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Sujet: 408 - The American Way 15/2/2009, 11:14
Bill O'Reilly: Survivre a la fatalite
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Sujet: 409- C'est de bonne guerre... 15/2/2009, 11:37
Bonjour Sylvette !
Ca ne va pas manquer, c'est de bonne guerre...
Juste retour des choses, quoi !
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Sujet: 410 - Les caricatures 15/2/2009, 14:06
Bonjour Biloulou
En fait, la premiere attaque reellement le plan des Democrates devenu le plan Obama lorsqu'il a decide de prendre le cote de Pelosi, la seconde attaquant plutot les media.
Je n'ai pas l'intention d'en copier-coller beaucoup ici mais, mais j'ai trouve la 406 d'autant plus interessante que c'etait la premiere qui s'approche un tant soit peu de celles croquees regulierement contre la politique de Pres. Bush justement.
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To whom it may concern : (je ne dis pas qu'il n'y en ait pas eu d'autres depuis le 22 janvier, j'ai dit que s'il y en avait eu des autres je ne les avais pas vues. )
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Sujet: 411- Ah mais ! 15/2/2009, 14:31
Ah mais oui mais non, c'est que j'aime bien les caricatures, moi !
Sauf quand, au lieu de renforcer les traits réels avec malice, elles sont mensongères et méchantes, uniquement pour détruire et faire mal (suivez mis ojos )
Et puis il y a aussi vos textes, vous...
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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 15/2/2009, 14:58
Biloulou a écrit:
Ah mais oui mais non, c'est que j'aime bien les caricatures, moi !
Sauf quand, au lieu de renforcer les traits réels avec malice, elles sont mensongères et méchantes, uniquement pour détruire et faire mal (suivez mis ojos )
Et puis il y a aussi vos textes, vous...
Les caricatures de mahomet étaient non mensongères, vous avez dû vous délecter
jam
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Sujet: obama hater? 15/2/2009, 15:42
sylvette chose étrange, vous qui vous êtres tout le temps plainte des bush haters, vous avez réussi l'exploit de poster plus de messages anti obama depuis qu'il est élu, que tous les messages anti bush qu'il y a eu depuis huit ans (cependant que de mon point de vue, bush étant un imbécile, il les méritait largement) par ailleurs, si on peut éventuellement critiquer la manière dont obama gère les différentes crises (autant financières que militaires), il faut aussi spécifier que les crises en question ont toutes étées réalisées par l'administration bush me trompes-je? que je sache, personne n'a obligé les usa d'attaquer afghanistan ni iraq et le soutient aux traders et autres spéculateurs immobiliers qui ont engendrés la crise est aussi une position politique, non?
pour information, une légende racconte que l'afghanistan est le cimetière des empires je sais pas trop comment on peut interpréter ça... peut-être un phénomène géo-polotico-historique
jam,
Zed
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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 15/2/2009, 15:59
Bush est peut-être comme Spock le dit {un imbécile} mais il fallait un génie pour attaquer ce qui est retardé, rétrograde et inutile sur notre planète, et j'ai nommé, l'islam.
C'est des microbes { a l'échelle humaine} qui ont attaqué lachement des êtres humains.
Si le remède {qui sera encore plus virulent a venir} vous déplait, il y a toujours la Lune qui offre beaucoup d'espace.
jam
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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 15/2/2009, 16:13
¥_zed_¥ a écrit:
Bush est peut-être comme Spock le dit {un imbécile} mais il fallait un génie pour attaquer ce qui est retardé, rétrograde et inutile sur notre planète, et j'ai nommé, l'islam.
C'est des microbes { a l'échelle humaine} qui ont attaqué lachement des êtres humains.
Si le remède {qui sera encore plus virulent a venir} vous déplait, il y a toujours la Lune qui offre beaucoup d'espace.
admettons qu'il ait voulu attaquer l'islam... ben même dans ce cas là, il s'y prenait mal puisque l'islam est une idéologie, on ne peut pas la combattre autrement que par les mots et l'attaque militaire est inappropriée pour combattre les idées, les maladies, les moustiques et tout le reste...
jam,
Zed
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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 15/2/2009, 16:27
jam a écrit:
¥_zed_¥ a écrit:
Bush est peut-être comme Spock le dit {un imbécile} mais il fallait un génie pour attaquer ce qui est retardé, rétrograde et inutile sur notre planète, et j'ai nommé, l'islam.
C'est des microbes { a l'échelle humaine} qui ont attaqué lachement des êtres humains.
Si le remède {qui sera encore plus virulent a venir} vous déplait, il y a toujours la Lune qui offre beaucoup d'espace.
admettons qu'il ait voulu attaquer l'islam... ben même dans ce cas là, il s'y prenait mal puisque l'islam est une idéologie, on ne peut pas la combattre autrement que par les mots et l'attaque militaire est inappropriée pour combattre les idées, les maladies, les moustiques et tout le reste...
jam,
Tu as totalement raison, et je le savais déjà. Mon cher Jam, si nous avions attaqué comme je et tu le dis, il n'y aurait plus d'islam. Le fait est que nous en sommes encore a la fasse défencive.
Bush est peut-être un con, mais c'est pas en admirant les papillions que les terroristes arrèteront.
On pourrait toujours espèrer, pendant que les musulmans sagagent le monde.
Bien sur tu vas me dire que avant nous tout était correcte. Je dis, tu es irréaliste.
La femme de par le monde doit être libérée, peut importe le prix. Toutes, elles le seront, malgré l'islam.
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Sujet: 46 - 15/2/2009, 18:23
jam a écrit:
sylvette chose étrange, vous qui vous êtres tout le temps plainte des bush haters, vous avez réussi l'exploit de poster plus de messages anti obama depuis qu'il est élu, que tous les messages anti bush qu'il y a eu depuis huit ans (cependant que de mon point de vue, bush étant un imbécile, il les méritait largement) par ailleurs, si on peut éventuellement critiquer la manière dont obama gère les différentes crises (autant financières que militaires), il faut aussi spécifier que les crises en question ont toutes étées réalisées par l'administration bush me trompes-je? que je sache, personne n'a obligé les usa d'attaquer afghanistan ni iraq et le soutient aux traders et autres spéculateurs immobiliers qui ont engendrés la crise est aussi une position politique, non?
pour information, une légende racconte que l'afghanistan est le cimetière des empires je sais pas trop comment on peut interpréter ça... peut-être un phénomène géo-polotico-historique
jam,
Un Obama hater, moi, absolument pas. Je suis totalement contre certaines de ses idees (particuliermeent en politique interieure) et je suis ses promesses de campagne et montre qu'elles n'etaient que cela: des promesses. Je ne l'attaque pas personnellement, contrairement aux Bush Haters et j'utilise tous les faits a ma disposition, les BUsh haters ne faisaient que repeter les rumeurs que les sites gauchistes mettaient a leur disposition, qu'elles aient ete fabriquees de toutes pieces ou non.
Une drole de difference tout de meme, mais je ne m'attends pas a ce que vous la saisissiez.
Il est inutile que je reponde a votre message au mot a mot, car il est en gros le meme que tant de precedents sinon en expliquant qu'a partir du moment ou en politique etrangere NNP suit la meme politique que celle de PRes Bush au moins en ce qui concerne l'Iraq et l'Afghanistan. ALors, ou bien ils sont tous les deux idiots ou bien tous les deux intelligents et face a des informations que nous n'avons pas a notre niveau, bien obliges de suivre la meme direction.
NNP pouvait tout-a-fait ramener nos soldats directement aux Etats Unis au lieu de les envoyer en Afghanistan. C'est d'ailleurs ce que la gauche escomptait et n'a pas obtenu. Il a decide de faire autrement.
Sur ce , tout le monde est pret a partir faire une balade a la plage alors a plus tard.
Dernière édition par Sylvette le 15/2/2009, 18:28, édité 1 fois
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Sujet: 47 - Ce message avait ete coince 15/2/2009, 18:25
nous sommes rentres, il part!
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Sujet: 48 - Aucun des membres du Senat n'a pu lire ces 1100 pages depuis hier soir minuit 15/2/2009, 22:54
et les Americains n'ont meme pas 48h pour savoir ce que ce texte contient. Ou est la transparence promise?
Sen. Boehner
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Sujet: 49 - On croit rever: Est-il acceptable que des professeurs transforment leur salle de classe.. 16/2/2009, 09:11
... en une politique?
Un professeur de l'Universite d'Ottawa risque le renvoi pour avoir donne a tous ses eleves un a+ en debut d'annee et change son programme de physique en une aire d'activisme politique.
Une question si le professeur avait transforme sa classe en cours de religion, risquerait-il le renvoi ou aurait-il deja perdu son emploi?
Une autre, quelle sera la valeur du diplome obtenu par ces physiciens en herbe si tous les professeurs s'autorisent ce genre d'attitude?
Enfin, si ce professeur aime tant la politique pourquoi ne l'enseigne-t-il pas et ne laisse-t-il pas la place de professeur de physique a quelqu'un qui veut reellement enseigner cette matiere?
Que de "?", hein?
February 15, 2009, 8:30 pm
Are Academics Different?
Last week’s column about Denis Rancourt, a University of Ottawa professor who is facing dismissal for awarding A-plus grades to his students on the first day of class and for turning the physics course he had been assigned into a course on political activism, drew mostly negative comments.
The criticism most often voiced was that by holding Rancourt up as an example of the excesses indulged in by those who invoke academic freedom, I had committed the fallacy of generalizing from a single outlier case to the behavior of an entire class “Is the Rancourt case one of a thousand such findings this year, or it the most outlandish in 10 years?” (Jack, No. 88).
It may be outlandish because it is so theatrical, but one could argue, as one reader seemed to, that Rancourt carries out to its logical extreme a form of behavior many display in less dramatic ways. “How about a look at the class of professors who … duck their responsibilities ranging from the simple courtesies (arrival on time, prepared for meetings … ) to the essentials (“lack of rigor in teaching and standards … )” (h.c.. ecco, No. 142). What links Rancourt and these milder versions of academic acting-out is a conviction that academic freedom confers on professors the right to order (or disorder) the workplace in any way they see fit, irrespective of the requirements of the university that employs them.
This conviction as Matthew Finkin and Robert Post have reported (in a book reviewed in an earlier column) is widespread and isn’t going away. “[A]cademic freedom has in recent decades increasingly come to be conceived of as an individual right to be asserted against all forms of university regulation.” It may be that most of those who hold this view would stop far short of the actions performed by Rancourt, but what Finkin and Post call “this antinomianism” (the refusal to accept external constraints on the promptings of conscience and the inner light) is, as they say, inherently “corrosive,” and what it corrodes is any sense of responsibility to the institution. The response many would make to this accusation is that a teacher’s responsibility is to the ideals of truth and justice and not to the parochial rules of an institution in thrall to intellectual, economic and political orthodoxies.
“Democracy,” insists G.Tod Slone (No. 228), “clearly depends on … professors willing to risk career for truth and integrity.” Academics, in this view, exercise freedom only when they subject the norms of the institution to a higher standard and act accordingly. They must, says mattm (No. 247), “retain the right to ask the question of what constitutes academic freedom — without any deference to the interests of the university whatsoever.” Here, nakedly, is the reasoning I attributed to Rancourt: the university may pay my salary, provide me with a platform, benefits, students, an office, secretarial help and societal status, but I retain my right to act in disregard of its interests; indeed I am obliged by academic freedom to do so.
It would be hard to imagine another field of endeavor in which employees believe that being attentive to their employer’s goals and wishes is tantamount to a moral crime But this is what many (not all) academics believe, and if pressed they will support their belief by invoking a form of academic exceptionalism, the idea that while colleges and universities may bear some of the marks of places of employment — work-days, promotions, salaries, vacations, meetings, etc. — they are really places in which something much more rarified than a mere job goes on. John in Boston (No. 229) declares, “Your first move to say that the professor was hired to perform a job is evidence enough to prove that you don’t understand education; it is not a path that leads in a certain direction,” and certainly not a direction mandated by an administrative hierarchy.
Reponse a ma 3eme question je suppose.
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About Stanley Fish
Stanley Fish is the Davidson-Kahn Distinguished University Professor and a professor of law at Florida International University, in Miami, and dean emeritus of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He has also taught at the University of California at Berkeley, Johns Hopkins and Duke University. He is the author of 10 books. His new book on higher education, "Save the World On Your Own Time," has just been published.
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Sujet: 50 - Donc les media et l'enseignement.. 16/2/2009, 09:49
Ca n'est une nouvelle ni pour l'un ni pour l'autre toutefois, disons que le phenomene prend de l'ampleur et passe dans l'exces sans honte aucune.
Nous avons a la Maison Blanche une veterante de la presse "Helene" Thomas. Au cours des 8 dernieres annees je ne l'ai vue que vautree dans son siege et poser ses questions soit avec colere, soit avec mepris. A la premiere conference de presse, elle s'est mise debout avec l'aide de son voisin devant Obama si emue qu'elle en avait du mal a formuler sa question (dans laquelle il etait question de "terroristes presumes" au Pakistan et en Afghanistan). Sa question concernant l'arme nucleaire etait bien evidemment pour que NNP annonce officielle qu'Israel l'avait, apres, il serait possible de mettre officiellement Israel et Iran sur le meme plan. (ben oui quoa)
Sans aucunement cacher ses opinions politiques, elle dit ceci: "Je suis nee Liberale, je mourrais Liberale", la pas de probleme elle a le droit a ses opinions, la ou ca se corrrse, elle continue ainsi: "Je suis une journaliste, comment pourrais-je etre quoi que ce soit d'autre!" C'est la aussi l'opinion de la pluspart des journalistes qui je le rappelle votent a plus de 80% Democrate.
O'Reilly dans une de ses emissions s'est moquee d'Helene (la je n'etais pas tout-a-fait d'accord) mais bon, je ne vois pas non plus pourquoi cette personne serait intouchable, alors que Rush Limbaugh peut etre lynche a tout moment mais bon. La reaction de la gauche a ete furieuse et un renvoi immediatement de O'Reilly par FOX News a ete demande.
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Maintenant, la gauche et l'extreme gauche qui ont elu NNP attendent une politique... de gauche, celle qu'il leur a promise tant a l'interieur qu'a l'exterieur des Etats Unis et elles lui font savoir:
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Sujet: 51 - Malheureusement ... 16/2/2009, 18:48
... les "faits divers" de ce genre, ce n'est pas la premiere fois qu'on les decouvre dans la presse et les bourreaux sont loin d'etre toujours musulmans. Toutefois, celui-ci avait cree une chaine de television pour donner l'autre visage de l'Islam, alors evidemment...
Muslim Television Channel Founder Charfed with Beheading His Wife
Monday, February 16, 2009 By Joshua Rhett Miller
Muzzammil Hassan, right, founder of Bridges TV, is charged with murder in the beheading of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, left, in Orchard Park, N.Y.
The estranged wife of a Muslim television executive feared for her life after filing for divorce last month from her abusive husband, her attorney said — and was found beheaded Thursday in his upstate New York television studio.
Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37, was found dead on Thursday at the offices of Bridges TV in Orchard Park, N.Y., near Buffalo. Her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, has reportedly been charged with second-degree murder.
"She was very much aware of the potential ramification of her filing for divorce might have," said attorney Elizabeth DiPirro, whose law firm, Hogan Willig, represented Aasiya Hassan in the divorce proceeding. "But she wanted to proceed despite the potential for it to erupt."
DiPirro said the couple had "physical confrontations off and on" for their entire eight-year marriage that had recently escalated to death threats. The grounds for divorce were "cruel and inhuman treatment," DiPirro said, referring to mulitple prior incidents of abuse. She declined to elaborate.
"We were worried about the situation becoming volatile," DiPirro said.
The couple had two children, ages 4 and 6, DiPirro said. Muzzammil Hassan also has two children, ages 17 and 18, from a previous marriage.
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Sujet: 52 - Mais L'ocean n'est pas assez grand? 16/2/2009, 18:59
Collision de sous-marins nucleaires francais et britannique.
French, British Nuclear Submarines Collide in Atlantic
Monday, February 16, 2009
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In this Oct. 25, 1992 file photo, sailors are seen aboard the HMS Vanguard.
LONDON — Nuclear-armed submarines from Britain and France collided in the Atlantic Ocean earlier this month, authorities acknowledged Monday — touching off new concerns about the safety of the world's deep sea missile fleets.
The HMS Vanguard, the oldest of Britain's current nuclear-armed submarine fleet, and the French Le Triomphant submarine, which was also carrying nuclear missiles, both suffered minor damage in the collision. No crew members were reported injured.
Britain's most senior sailor, First Sea Lord, Adm. Jonathon Band, said the underwater crash posed no risk to the safety of the submarines' nuclear reactors and nuclear missiles. But he offered no explanation of how the rare incident might have occurred.
"The two submarines came into contact at very low speed," Band said in a statement. "Both submarines remained safe."
France's defense ministry said the ballistic missile submarines had been carrying out routine patrols when they collided.
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Sujet: 53 - CNN: La France porte la responsabilite des morts de l'holocaust 16/2/2009, 20:14
France "responsible" for Holocaust deaths
PARIS, France (CNN) -- France bears responsibility for deporting Jews to their deaths in concentration camps during World War II, the country's highest court ruled Monday.
Jews and foreigners are rounded up in Paris in May 1941.
But, the Council of State said, "measures taken since the end of the Second World War have compensated for the damage."
Northern France was directly occupied by Nazi Germany during World War II while the south of the country was ruled by the Vichy government that collaborated with Adolf Hitler.
France's role in the deportation of its Jews was a taboo subject for decades after the war.
The trial of Maurice Papon, a civil servant in the collaborationist Vichy government, for deporting Jews, forced the country to confront its role in the Holocaust.
Papon was convicted in 1998 by a French court for complicity in crimes against humanity for his role in the deportation of 1,590 Jews from the city of Bordeaux.
Most of the deportees later perished at the concentration camp at Auschwitz in modern day Poland. Papon died in February 2007, aged 96, after serving part of his term and then being freed on health grounds.
There were approximately 350,000 Jews in France at the time of the country's defeat by Germany in 1940. At least half of those were refugees who had already fled Germany or countries already under Nazi occupation, according to the Web site of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
At least 77,000 Jews were deported to their deaths from French transit camps between 1942 and the end of German occupation in December 1944. Of these, around a third were French citizens and more than 8,000 were children under 13.