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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 6/7/2009, 08:44
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Bonjour Biloulou
Il me semblait que cette nouvelle plairait!
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Sujet: 1139 - 20/7/2009, 09:57
Les Democrates inquiets: Elus par de riches Democrates (la gauche caviar en quelque sorte), seront-ils reelus si leurs electeurs deviennent surtaxes?
Democrats' New Worry: Their Own Rich Voters
By JONATHAN WEISMAN A group of Democrats elected in recent years from some of the country's richest congressional districts have emerged as a stumbling block to raising taxes on the wealthy to pay for President Barack Obama's ambitious health-care overhaul just as the plan has begun to meet increasing resistance over its cost.
Friday, two freshmen representatives -- Dina Titus, from suburban Las Vegas, and Colorado's Jared Polis, representing Boulder, Vail and some of the tonier suburbs of Denver -- joined Republicans to vote against Mr. Obama's top-priority health-care overhaul when it faced a vote in their House Education and Labor Committee. One reason was a one-percentage point-surtax on couples earning between $350,000 and $500,000 -- gradually increasing to 5.4 percentage points on earnings more than $1 million -- to pay for it.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, left, during a mock swearing in early this year for Rep. Gerald Connolly (D.,Va.), as family and friends look on. Mr. Connolly is one of the freshmen Democrats pleading against sharp tax increases. Associated Press
The bill passed the committee anyway, but if the number of Democratic defectors grows it could pose a serious obstacle to the president.
Also on Friday a busload of freshmen Democrats went to the White House to plead their case against sharp tax increases with the president and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel. The organizer was Rep. Gerald Connolly, the president of the freshman class whose Northern Virginia district is the richest in the U.S. as measured by median household income.
"There could come a time," said Rep. Michael McMahon, a freshman Democrat from New York City's borough of Staten Island, when Democrats are in open rebellion. "We will certainly see in the next few weeks where we are going." ..... Recently elected Democrats from higher-income areas also have been cautious about legislation that would make it easier for labor unions to organize, and about legislation imposing tough new rules on banks. Republicans have savaged the new Democrats for supporting legislation to stem global warming by capping greenhouse-gas emissions, then forcing polluters to purchase and trade emissions credits -- a "cap and tax," the GOP says.
But planned tax increases are likely the source of the toughest intra-Democratic tensions. The president wants to allow George W. Bush's income-tax cuts to expire in 2011 for families earning at least $250,000 and to stop the estate tax from being repealed next year. Mr. Obama also campaigned on putting an additional payroll tax of two to four percentage points on incomes above $250,000 to help put Social Security back on solid footing. As the president confronts a surging budget deficit and presses his ambitious agenda, all those tax increases may be necessary to make ends meet.
All together, Democratic plans could push the top tax rate to 47%, the highest level since the tax code was rewritten in 1986. ... Strong Democratic majorities, especially in the House, give the White House plenty of latitude. But if wary freshmen team with the more seasoned centrists in the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrat coalition, who are threatening the health bill in the House Energy and Commerce Committee, the coalition could be formidable. The White House defends its approach. "The bottom line is that I think the president believes that the richest 1% of this country has had a pretty good run of it for many, many, many years," said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs. Mr. Connolly, the Northern Virginia representative, has a different calculation. Households earning at least $200,000 represent 14% of his district, "and they all vote," he said. "They're just hanging themselves," says Republican Rep. Sam Graves, who last year beat back a spirited challenge in his northwestern Missouri district, which includes suburban Kansas City, and said he is looking forward to a race on taxes in 2010.
But as Democrats who served in Congress in 1994 will attest, the game changes when abstractions on taxing the rich turn to reality. President Bill Clinton's 1993 deficit-reduction plan largely focused tax increases on the rich, but the collateral damage on Democrats was broad. And nobody wants to be the next Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky, the suburban Philadelphia House freshman who cast the deciding vote on the Clinton budget, only to be swept from office the next year.
"I never should have been asked to take that vote, ever," said Ms. Margolies-Mezvinsky, who now runs Women's Campaign International, a Philadelphia-based group with a mission to empower women politically.
For now, most freshmen aren't saying how they will vote on the House health-care bill. Mr. McMahon, whose New York district also includes parts of Brooklyn, said there is no open revolt, but there have been two meetings with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and there was the White House meeting Friday with Messrs. Obama and Emanuel. Taxes dominated what Mr. Connolly described as a cordial but inconclusive discussion.
"I spend all my time here making the case that the profile of the rich doesn't stand in my district," Mr. McMahon said. "People feel that they're getting hit from all sides."
Ce CHANGEment de position politique chez nos elus n'est pas rare ces derniers mois, lorsque la realite frappe.
Dans un autre domaine et pour ne parler que de certains Senateurs (et "trices" ), pourtant grands defenseurs de l'environnement, ils refusent de laisser placer les "moulins a vent" sur leur district, par exemple (Leurs electeurs souhaitant que l'on fasse tout contre le "rechauffement climatique" mais pas dans leur jardin).(vous aurez remarque mon utilisation de la fleur, c'est mon cote Vert!)
Serieusement, la question demeure: ou l'argent pour une assurance medicale federale d'une telle envergure pourra-t-il etre trouve autre qu'en taxant le 1% des plus riches sur leurs revenus et possessions! (ce qui ne sera d'ailleurs pas suffisant) et en imposant tous les Americains de facon indirecte sur leur pouvoir d'achat.
Rappel: Washington trouve normal de se defaire de ses frais d'assurances pour les personnes de plus de 65 ans en donnant la caisse vide aux gouverneurs (des etats qui ont deja beaucoup de problemes afin que ceux-ci prennent la releve) pour pouvoir mettre sur pied cette assurance qui ne couvrirait de toutes facons pas tout le monde sur le territoire americain et qui ne augmentera le deficit de plus d'un trillion de dollars. Les impots/taxes (tant sur individus que sur societes, surtout sur les petites et moyennes entreprises, moteur de l'economie americaine, elles ne pourront plus engager et devront meme donner leur "papier rose" a la majorite de leurs employes) risqueraient d'amener le pays sinon a un arret economique complet au moins au plus grand ralentissement jamais connu)
La question: est-ce bien raisonnable?
D'autant qu'il y a d'autres solutions mais evidemment le gouvernement federal n'aurait pas le pouvoir sur la nation.
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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 20/7/2009, 13:22
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la question demeure: ou l'argent pour une assurance medicale federale d'une telle envergure pourra-t-il etre trouve
En créant une "killing tax" sur tous les produits et services du secteur militaro-industriel et en rapatriant d'urgence les boys et GI's girls au pays, ce qui réduira drastiquement la facture guerrière de cette pacifique Nation.
En simplifiant les lois et procédures fiscales fédérales comme fédérées (càd en clarifiant la définition de l'assujettissement, de l'assiette, du calcul, du contrôle, du recouvrement et en supprimant les agences en doublon) on améliorerait dans des proportions gigantesques le rendement global de l'impôt de l'Union ce qui générerait des plus-values formidables pour le Trésor.
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Sujet: 1151 - 20/7/2009, 14:20
Aaaah.. our W.W.W.
Pelosi: Make millionaires pay
By MIKE ALLEN | 7/20/09 5:24 AM
Oui et aidons les stars de Hollywood (en commencant par Barbara et Sean par exemple) a se soulager d'un sentiment de culpabilite et d'injustice (ils crient tellement fort pour un monde plus equitable) qui les empechent de respirer nichees entre leurs quatre pauvres murs.
Apres, il serait bien de penser a nos homme politiques Democrates (Al et l'ancien co-listier de John, Edward)
Le Probleme? meme en sur-taxant tous ceux qui gagnent plus de $ 350,000.00 par an (ils ne representent qu'1% de la population selon des donnees de 2007; ils sont sans doute moins nombreux maintenant. Le pourcentage de ceux qui gagent plus d'un million de dollars par an et que Nancy veut faire payer, est d'autant plus minime. Elle joue la carte politique des riches contre les pauvres et cache la realite des faits. Il sera donc impossible de faire couvrir les frais de cette assurance federale par "les riches".
Des lors, qui reste-t-il pour payer cette administration qui serait/sera? mis en place par les Democrates POUR LE BIEN DU PAYS, mais la classe moyenne: celle qui paie deja le plus d'impots directs et indirects.
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Aucune de ces idees n'est proposee par nos elus Democrates en particulier par NP - tant soutenu par les amis exterieurs des "veritables" Etats Unis, tout-le-monde aura compris, pas ceux des "neocons Republicains" (98% selon les sondages).!
Au contraire puisqu'au lieu de minimiser la machine du fonctionnariat, elle va etre multipliee plusieurs fois. (je n'ai plus les chiffres en tete mais deja plusieurs dizaines de milliers de fonctionnaires ont ete engages.)
C'est la facon de combattre le chomage, le gouvernement engage les chercheurs d'emploi et les fait payer par qui et avec quoi... une fois de plus par la classe moyenne et avec impots pompes a ceux qui ont encore la chance de travailler et aux societes qui ont encore la chance de tourner.
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Sujet: Re: Nouvelles en Langue Anglaise 20/7/2009, 14:48
Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, July 20, 2009
Heading into a critical period in the debate over health-care reform, public approval of President Obama's stewardship on the issue has dropped below the 50 percent threshold for the first time, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Obama's approval ratings on other front-burner issues, such as the economy and the federal budget deficit, have also slipped over the summer, as rising concern about spending and continuing worries about the economy combine to challenge his administration. Barely more than half approve of the way he is handling unemployment, which now tops 10 percent in 15 states and the District. The president's overall approval rating remains higher than his marks on particular domestic issues, with 59 percent giving him positive reviews and 37 percent disapproving. But this is the first time in his presidency that Obama has fallen under 60 percent in Post-ABC polling, and the rating is six percentage points lower than it was a month ago. Obama has taken on a series of major problems during his young presidency, but he faces a particularly difficult fight over his effort to encourage Congress to pass an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.
The legislation has run into problems in the House and Senate, as lawmakers struggle to contain spiraling costs and avoid ballooning the deficit.
Since April, approval of Obama's handling of health care has dropped from 57 percent to 49 percent, with disapproval rising from 29 percent to 44 percent. Obama still maintains a large advantage over congressional Republicans in terms of public trust on the issue, even as the GOP has closed the gap.
The erosion in Obama's overall rating on health care is particularly notable among political independents: While positive in their assessments of his handling of health-care reform at the 100-day mark of his presidency (53 percent approved and 30 percent disapproved), independents now are divided at 44 percent positive and 49 percent negative.
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Comme me disait un Texan avec lequel je "Skyp"ais ( ca fait tres BC BG, ce truc!!!) tout dernierement: "Il est a 60% dans les media elite, ca veut dire qu'il tourne reellement autour des 50%.. Ce qui est proche de ce que Rasmussen donnait hier: 51
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Sujet: 1153 - Les dix pires etats pour les "riches" 20/7/2009, 15:04
La haine du "riche" est un sentiment nouveau apporte par notre gauche liberale avec la haine de la religion.
These 10 States Could See the Highest Combined Tax Rates If the Health Surtax Becomes Law
The richest of the rich in 10 U.S. states could see combined tax rates of more than 54.3 percent if the proposed health care surtax becomes law. (ABC News Photo Illustration)
Ce n'est pas grave, les stars de Hollywood, ben oui toujours les memes, continueront d'acheter des proprietes en Floride pour y etablir leur residence principale.
Une remarque encore, ces etats font partie de ceux qui ont le plus de problemes economiques, en tete: la Californie! (et oui, Arnold est Republicain, comme quoi on peut etre un homme "fort", intelligent et un businessman reconnu et ne pas pouvoir/savoir resister aux Democrates en majorite a Sacramento et aux syndicats en puissance!)
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Sujet: 1154 - Rasmussen 20/7/2009, 15:52
Date.....Presidential Approval Index - Strongly Approve - Strongly Disapprove - Total Approve - Total Disapprove
Democrats got what they wanted in the stimulus bill. The public knows it.
By FRED BARNES
It usually doesn't happen this quickly in Washington. But President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats are finding that the old maxim that what goes around, comes around applies to them, too. Less than six months into his term, Mr. Obama's top initiatives -- health-care reform and "cap and trade" energy legislation -- are in serious jeopardy and he has himself and his congressional allies to blame.
Their high-pressure tactics in promoting and passing legislation, most notably the economic "stimulus" enacted in February, have backfired. Those tactics include unbridled partisanship, procedural short cuts, demands for swift passage of bills, and promises of quick results.
With large majorities in Congress and an obsequious press corps, Mr. Obama was smitten with the idea of emulating President Franklin Roosevelt's First 100 Days of legislative success in 1933. Like FDR, Mr. Obama tried to push as many liberal bills through Congress in as brief a time as possible. He made a rookie mistake early on. He let congressional Democrats draft the bills. They're as partisan as any group that has ever controlled Congress, and as impatient. They have little interest in the compromises needed to attract Republican support. As a consequence, what they passed -- especially the $787 billion stimulus -- belongs to Democrats alone. They own the stimulus outright.
That makes them accountable for the hopes of a prompt economic recovery now being dashed. With the economy still faltering and jobs still being lost, Mr. Obama's credibility is sinking and his job approval rating is declining along with the popularity of his initiatives. Republicans, who had insisted the stimulus was wasteful and wouldn't work, are being vindicated.
The political fallout that mattered most, however, has been among Democrats in the House who will face tough re-election fights next year. They're in a state of near-panic over the lingering recession. Their confidence in Mr. Obama is fading, and they no longer believe in quickly passing the president's agenda. Cap and trade has been put off until the fall and health-care reform is starting to stall.
For Mr. Obama, this is all a potentially disastrous turn of events. On Capitol Hill, delay favors the opposition and tends to lead to defeat. The longer a bill sits around, the more its contents are dissected and the less likely it is to pass. Mr. Obama realizes this fact, which is why he is pressing for a quick vote on his health-care reform.
His plan has been to exploit the economic downturn to enact his entire agenda, not just the stimulus. The president's position, which he repeated again this week, is that his health, energy and education reforms are necessary to create a sustainable economic recovery. It's a clever political argument, but it makes little economic sense and few people buy it.
That's not all. The stimulus is such a large increase in spending that it turned the deficit into a political issue. There is a growing national wariness to adding billions (or trillions) to the budget, even for a relatively popular cause like health care.
Had Mr. Obama and Democrats proceeded differently, they'd have better odds now for enacting their agenda. They are victims of their own tactics.
Republicans hold 41% of the seats in Congress. That's a position of weakness, but not completely powerlessness. Rather than ignoring GOP proposals, Democrats might have been better off giving Republicans 20% of the stimulus funds to spend. Republicans probably would have spent it on tax reforms that encourage economic growth. Had that happened, the stimulus might have provided a mild boost to the economy by now.
Or what if Democrats had heeded Republican advice and trimmed the size of the stimulus? The economy wouldn't be any worse for it, but the deficit and public fear of it would be smaller.
During the presidential campaign last year, Mr. Obama said he was committed to bipartisanship. But congressional Democrats aren't, as he surely knew. They rejected input from House Republicans on the stimulus -- without a peep of protest from the president. Minor concessions to three Republicans gave them the 60 votes to pass the bill in the Senate.
The president's vow of bipartisanship wasn't the only promise to crumble. Democrats said they'd give Republicans (and the public) 48 hours to read a bill before a vote. But the final version of the 1,071-page stimulus package was unveiled in the House at 1 a.m. on Feb. 13 and passed later that day after one hour of substantive debate. Every Republican voted no. The Senate vote came 16 hours after the three renegade Republicans agreed to an amended version of the stimulus.
In urging fast action, Mr. Obama sounded apocalyptic: "If we do not move swiftly to sign the [stimulus] into law, an economy that is already in crisis will be faced with catastrophe. . . . Millions more Americans will lose their jobs. Homes will be lost. Families will go without health care."
Once the stimulus passed, Democrats said the impact would be practically instant. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D., Md.) predicted "an immediate jolt." Economic adviser Larry Summers said, "You'll see the effects almost immediately." White House Budget Director Peter Orszag said it would "take only weeks or months" to be felt.
A similar sequence of appeals, claims, promises and a speedy vote was followed when the cap and trade bill, which would put a ceiling on greenhouse gas emissions, came before the House on June 28. The bill's architect, Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.), presented a crucial 300-page amendment at 3 a.m. It passed 16 hours later.
But even that was not fast enough. Mr. Waxman was irritated by House Republican leader John Boehner's hour-long address in opposition. As Mr. Boehner spoke, Mr. Waxman demanded he be cut off. He wasn't, but after Mr. Boehner finished, Mr. Waxman asked the presiding officer, who was then Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D., Calif.), how long the "two minute speech" had lasted. "The customary amount of time" for the minority leader, she replied.
Mr. Waxman's testiness won't make final passage of cap and trade easier. Nor will the Obama administration gain from its crude attempt last week to punish -- and silence -- Sen. Jon Kyl (R., Ariz.) for saying the stimulus should be cancelled. Four cabinet members wrote to his governor, Republican Jan Brewer, to ask if she wanted to forfeit stimulus money for her state.
Mr. Obama's health-care and energy initiatives, the core of his far-reaching agenda, were bound to face serious opposition in Congress in any case. Hardball tactics and false promises have only made the hill he has to climb steeper. Now he may lose on both. The president and his congressional allies should have known better.
Driver, 81, Becomes Oldest Man to Compete in NASCAR Race Monday, July 20, 2009
PORTLAND, Ore. — Ever the gentleman, Hershel McGriff was good-natured about finishing 13th in a NASCAR-sanctioned race at age 81.
"My competition was faster," he deadpanned.
Although he certainly would have taken a victory, McGriff seemed nevertheless pleased with his showing on the road course at Portland International Raceway, part of the NASCAR Camping World West Series.
Jim Inglebright of Fairfield, Calif., won the race, which featured a late caution for a green-white-checkered finish. He edged fellow Californian Greg Pursley, who slipped partially off track on the final turn.
McGriff was the defending champion in Portland winning the only other time the series — then known as Winston West — visited the track in 1986.
The odds were against him before the race started. Although he automatically qualified as one of 26 drivers in a race that had 28 spots, he had to start at the back of the pack and one lap down because of changes he made to the car after the qualifying session. He replaced the carburetor.
"I really didn't have a lot to lose," he said. "I did not want to go out there and flop around."
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Sujet: 1158 - La transparence 20/7/2009, 18:02
White House Delays Report on Budget Update, as Unemployment Rise
The release of the update -- usually scheduled for mid-July -- has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town on its August 7 summer recess. AP
Monday, July 20, 2009
WASHINGTON -- The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the the U.S economy and today's bleak landscape.
The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.
The release of the update -- usually scheduled for mid-July -- has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town on its August 7 summer recess.
The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance.
The White House budget director, Peter Orszag, said on Sunday that the administration believes the "chances are high" of getting a health care bill by then. But new analyses showing runaway costs are jeopardizing Senate passage.
"Instead of a dream, this routine report could be a nightmare," Tony Fratto, a former Treasury Department official and White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said of the delayed budget update. "There are some things that can't be escaped."
The administration earlier this year predicted that unemployment would peak at about 9 percent without a big stimulus package and 8 percent with one. Congress did pass a $787 billion two-year stimulus measure, yet unemployment soared to 9.5 percent in June and appears headed for double digits.
Obama's current forecast anticipates 3.2 percent growth next year, then 4 percent or higher growth from 2011 to 2013. Private forecasts are less optimistic, especially for next year. Any downward revision in growth or revenue projections would mean that budget deficits would be far higher than the administration is now suggesting.
Setting the stage for bleaker projections, Vice President Joe Biden recently conceded, "We misread how bad the economy was" in January. Obama modified that by suggesting the White House had "incomplete" information.
The new budget update comes as the public and members of Congress are becoming increasingly anxious over Obama's economic policies. A Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday shows approval of Obama's handling of health-care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time. The poll also found support eroding on how Obama is dealing with other issues that are important to Americans right now -- the economy, unemployment and the swelling budget deficit.
The Democratic-controlled Congress is reeling from last week's testimony by the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, that the main health care proposals Congress is considering would not reduce costs -- as Obama has insisted -- but "significantly expand" the federal financial responsibility for health care.
That gave ammunition to Republican critics of the bill.
Citing the CBO testimony, House Minority Leader John Boehner, a Republican, on Monday accused Democrats of "burying this budget update until after Congress leaves town next month." He called the budget-update postponment "an attempt to hide a record-breaking deficit as Democratic leaders break arms to rush through a government takeover of health care."
Late last week, Obama vowed anew that "health insurance reform cannot add to our deficit over the next decade and I mean it ...
Even so, the administration has projected that the annual deficit for the current budget year will hit $1.84 trillion, four times the size of last year's deficit of $455 billion. Private forecasters suggest that shortfall may actually top $2 trillion.
Se peut-il que Mr. Rahm Emmanuel ait change d'avis en ce qui concerne ne jamais gaspiller l'occasion donnee par une crise serieuse!
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Sujet: 1159 - 20/7/2009, 21:07
Cette histoire de faux certificat de naissance de NP, et de la, l'idee que certains ont que NP n'ait pas la nationalite americaine, semble ne vouloir ni s'arreter, ni se calmer.
Charles Kerchner CDR USNR Retired a depose une plainte contre NP et a achete une page sur Washington Times pour expliquer qu'il a la preuve que NP etait sujet britannique a sa naissance et qu'il n'est pas un citoyen americain ne sur le territoire (natural born citizen) donc qu'il ne peut etre president des Etats Unis.
Un juge a accepte d'entendre ce proces. A suivre...
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Lou Dobbs, de CNN, lui, semble ne pas comprendre pourquoi NP ne veut pas mettre un terme a cette histoire en produisant l'acte de naissance complet au lieu de poster sur l'internet la copie d'un certificat sur lequel le sceau ne serait pas visible entre autres problemes.
Dobbs repeatedly makes Obama birth certificate claims his CNN colleagues call "total bull"July 17, 2009 7:26 pm ET
SUMMARY: Addressing an issue promoted by the far-right "birther" movement, Lou Dobbs repeatedly said on his radio show that President Obama needs to "produce a birth certificate" and that Obama's birth certificate posted online has "some issues" -- claims that have been dismissed and even ridiculed by his CNN colleagues.
During the July 15 edition of his radio program, CNN host Lou Dobbs devoted substantial airtime to the issue of President Obama's birth certificate, asserting repeatedly that the president needs to "produce" it. Dobbs said that the birth certificate posted online by FactCheck.org "purporting to validate the president" has "some issues ... I mean, it's peculiar," and stated that he wants to see a "long form" birth certificate, which he called "the real deal." By contrast, Dobbs' CNN colleagues have repeatedly debunked claims that Obama has yet to produce a valid birth certificate, calling them "total bull" and "a whack-job project," and have characterized those who make these claims as "conspiracy theorists" who wear "tin foil hat[s]."
Dobbs also mentioned the issue of Obama's birth certificate on the July 15 edition of his CNN television show. Referring to the document that FactCheck.org posted, Dobbs said, "It is, in fact, the so-called short form, not the original document. It is really a document saying that the state of Hawaii has the real document in its possession."
Media Matters for America has noted that Dobbs has a history of pushing conspiracy theories and numerous falsehoods and distortions.
Dobbs' radio show
During his radio program, Dobbs stated: "[S]hould he produce his birth certificate -- the long form, the real deal? Should he be a little more forthcoming? ... What is the deal here? I'm starting to think we have a -- we have a document issue. Do you suppose he's un -- no, I won't even use the word undocumented. It wouldn't be right."
Dobbs later stated that when examining the birth certificate issue, at first he "thought, 'Here we go with the lunatic fringe. This is a bunch of quackeroos going after him.' " However, Dobbs said he now believes that there are "some issues here that should be really resolved" with Obama's birth certificate.
During his program, Dobbs repeatedly faulted Obama for what he said was Obama's failure to definitively answer questions raised about his birth certificate:
Dobbs stated: "The first thing is to determine whether or not his birth certificate is valid. And what I don't understand is why that has not been released and given over to the public record."
After a caller said "something doesn't smell right" with Obama, Dobbs said that the "way to get rid of those odors is always just open the windows and let the sun shine in. And all we need here is a doggone document, but for some reason the president doesn't want to release that."
Dobbs said that in contrast to efforts undertaken by Sen. John McCain "to determine that he met the standard of natural-born citizen," there is "absolutely, you know, no effort to do so on the part of Barack H. Obama. Nor, as also our callers have pointed out, this president would not release his medical records. And the national media seemed to be fine with that, whereas they probably would have eviscerated John McCain for failing to do so."
After a caller theorized that Obama is rushing through programs because Obama "knows what's coming" with regard to the birth certificate lawsuits, Dobbs said: "Certainly your view can't be discounted at this point, because this president refused to provide the documentation that would settle all of the controversy here."
After a caller said she initially thought the birth certificate controversy was "the dumbest thing ever," Dobbs replied: DOBBS: "Well, it is a dumb thing. I think we have to all admit this is a dumb thing either way, because, I mean, I can't understand why the president wouldn't just move to get this stuff out of the way. Show the documents, get it done -- I mean, he -- think about it."
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Tout ca est tres bizarre et peu osent y toucher, theorie de conspiration y etant appose partout.
Une chose est certaine, si NP est ne a Hawai, apres que l'etat soit devenue le 50eme, la question ne se pose meme pas, quelles aient ete la nationalite des parents de NP, il est natural born citizen
S'il est ne au Kenya, son pere n'etant pas Americain et si sa mere etait mineure, la question peut se poser. Si elle etait majeure, elle devait l'inscrire au Consulat le plus proche afin que sa nationalite lui soit reconnue.
John McCain ne sur une base americaine a Panama (territoire americain) de parents ayant la nationalite americaine avait toutefois demande confirmation de son status de natural born citizen.
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Sujet: 1160- Hummm... 20/7/2009, 21:10
Étrange. Oui, à suivre...
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Sujet: 1161 - Le rapport sur Gantanamo lui aussi retarde 21/7/2009, 08:40
mais de six mois, lui. La fermeture toujours prevue pour janvier 2010
U.S. Delays Key Terror Detainee Reports
Senior administration officials said Monday that the report on detention will be delayed six months and the report on interrogation and transfer policy will be delayed two months.
AP Monday, July 20, 2009
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration on Monday pushed back its own deadline for devising new anti-terrorism policies.
The decision had been expected, as presidentially appointed task forces have failed to meet a six-month schedule for making policy recommendations on how terror suspects should be interrogated, held in custody or handed over to other countries.
Senior administration officials said Monday that the report on detention will be delayed six months and the report on interrogation and transfer policy will be delayed two months. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the issue on the record.
As the administration quietly acknowledged the delay, a task force sent Attorney General Eric Holder and Defense Secretary Robert Gates a preliminary report summarizing their legal goals for handling terror suspects in the future.
"Where appropriate, prosecution of those responsible must occur as soon as possible, whether in federal court or before a military commission," according to the five-page memo on detention policy sent to the White House.
"Justice cannot be done, however, unless those who are accused of crimes are proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law that affords them a full and fair opportunity to contest the charges against them," the memo concludes.
The Obama administration has reached the halfway mark in its self-imposed goal to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility by January 2010.
Six months after President Barack Obama signed the closure order, fewer than 20 of about 245 inmates have been transferred out of the U.S. military base in Cuba. Currently, there are 229 detainees at Guantanamo, and the administration, by its own clock, has six months more to remove them.
Government lawyers are reviewing each case individually and have so far finished the reviews of more than half of the detainees.
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Deal Reached to Close Calif's $26B Budget Deficit
Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders agree on a plan to close a $26 billion budget shortfall
AP Monday, July 20, 2009
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and California's legislative leaders agreed Monday on a plan to close the state's $26 billion budget shortfall, potentially getting the state back on firm financial ground so it can stop issuing IOUs.
The governor and leaders from both parties announced the compromise after more than five hours of closed-door talks. If the agreement survives its run through both houses of the Legislature, it would provide temporary relief to an epic fiscal crisis that has captured national attention, sunk the state's credit rating and forced deep cuts in education and social services.
Most analysts and top lawmakers expect that California will face multibillion-dollar deficits into the foreseeable future as the economy struggles to recover and tax revenue lags far behind the level of the boom years.
On Monday, the focus was on balancing a state budget that had been thrown way out of whack by declining tax revenue since Schwarzenegger signed it in February during a rare emergency session of the Legislature.
Schwarzenegger and Republican lawmakers refused to raise taxes, limiting lawmakers' options. Democrats, meanwhile, had fought to preserve basic social services, including welfare, in-home support and health care for low-income children.
In the end, both sides said they had accomplished their goals under extraordinarily difficult circumstances.
"It was like a suspense movie," Schwarzenegger told reporters after emerging from his office shortly before 7 p.m. "Like I said, we have accomplished a lot."
The Republican governor described the compromise as a "basic agreement" to close the state's massive shortfall. The Democratic and Republican leaders of the Assembly and Senate were at his side.
Their plan will be distributed to rank-and-file lawmakers over the next day or two, with votes in the Legislature projected for Thursday. The budget requires a two-thirds vote in each house to pass, meaning all Democrats and a handful of Republicans must support it. ...
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Sujet: 1163 - NP convoque les Democrates Centristes 21/7/2009, 08:56
Obama to Press "blue Dog" Dems on Health Care
President Obama has invited a small group of fiscally-conscious House Democrats -- known as the "Blue Dogs" -- to the White House Tuesday morning in an effort to win their support.
By Chad Pergram FOXNews.com Monday, July 20, 2009
President Obama has invited a small group of fiscally-conscious House Democrats -- known as the "Blue Dogs" -- to the White House Tuesday morning in an effort to win their support for his controversial health care reform package, FOX News has learned.
"We're just not there yet," said Rep. Baron Hill, D-Ind., one of the lawmakers invited to the session with Mr. Obama. "We're getting there."
When asked what the main concern was, Hill responded, "Time."
Hill is a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, a key panel struggling to approve a health reform bill. Many conservative Democrats on the committee are already shell-shocked from criticism they've heard for voting for a climate and energy bill in June. Many of those lawmakers are reluctant to take a tough vote again.
Hill's rural, southwest Indiana district is a case study in the red-blue divide.
His winning percentages reflect the tenuous grasp he has on his seat and the vulnerabilities he faces on contentious issues. Voters first elected Hill to the House in 1998 with 51 percent of the vote. He then narrowly defeated Republican Mike Sodrel with 51 percent in 2002. But in 2004, Sodrel rallied to unseat Hill by a mere 1,500 votes. Hill returned the favor two years later, capturing 50 percent of the tally against Sodrel in a three-way contest. He again beat Sodrel in 2008.
To secure his vote on health care, Hill said he's seeking specific cost-cutting and wants a better understanding about how "bundling" health care dollars would work. Under the current fee-for-service system, health insurance companies divide up payments among doctors, technicians and nurses. Bundling would tie all payments together.
"He hasn't taken anything off the table," Hill said of the president. The Indiana Democrat signaled that there are about 12 policy areas that need alteration to satisfy the Blue Dogs.
The Blue Dogs are moderate to conservative Democrats who represent historically Republican turf. They advocate low taxes and restraint in government spending, and the Blue Dog Coalition is particularly spooked about the trillion dollar price tag of the president's health care proposal and a ballooning of the federal deficit by $236 billion. They dislike tax increases which would soak the rich and feel that Democratic leaders are racing to okay a bill by the August recess.
"It's clear in the fact that they don't have the votes with the language they've got now," said fellow Blue Dog Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Fla.
Boyd said he'd like to see the House take a break on health care and punt to the Senate. The reason is that political chasms over health care are much wider in the Senate than they are in the House. The thinking is that any Senate-passed bill would stand a better chance of scoring approval in the House.
"Stop. Let them work. See what they can do," Boyd said of the Senate. But despite Boyd's skepticism, he's not ready to quit on health reform. "Any thing can happen," he said."This place is known for miracles."
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Releve de notes des six derniers mois ou des six premiers mois de NP a la Maison Blanche Sean Hannity
C'est pas pour dire, mais je vais... Morris est d'accord avec mon evaluation au sujet de la raison pour laquelle NP veut absolument passer Healthcare et Cap and Trade rapidement: les resultats de sondages qui montrent qu'il a perdu un grand nombre de supporters et que ca ne va pas aller en s'ameliorant pour lui.
La tristesse de tout ca? son desastre est terrible pour le pays. Un "espoir"? que ces deux programmes ne passent pas et que les Etats Unis puissent se remettre le plus rapidement possible du coup assene.
Elle est toujours au Cambodge, Shansaa ("Our dollars at work"? ). Je regrette son absence et bien sur le silence de Lawrence entre autres (mais bon, la...)
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Jupiter Struck by Object, NASA Images Confirm
Tuesday, July 21, 2009
AP/NASA/JPL
July 20: A large impact on Jupiter's south polar region is captured by NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility in Mauna Kea, Hawaii.
PASADENA, California — A large comet or asteroid has slammed into Jupiter, creating an impact site the size of Earth, pictures by an Australian amateur astronomer show.
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory confirmed the discovery using its large infrared telescope at the summit of Mauna Kea in Hawaii, said computer programer Anthony Wesley, 44, who discovered the impact zone while stargazing at home.
News of Wesley's find on a backyard 14.5-inch reflecting telescope has stunned the astronomy world, with scientists saying the impact will last only days more.
Wesley said it took him 30 minutes to realize a dark spot rotating in Jupiter's clouds on July 19 was actually the first impact seen by astronomers since a comet collided with the giant planet in July 1994.
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Sujet: 1166 - 21/7/2009, 10:06
Ron Paul n'est pas quelqu'un pour qui je voterais mais j'imagine le sourire sur les levres d'un ami qui nous a quitte en janvier dernier et qui etait un fan.
July 20, 2009, 9:27 PM ET
No Longer Alone, Ron Paul Fights the Fed
By Sudeep Reddy
Rep. Ron Paul usually stands far outside the mainstream in Congress, particularly in his campaign to kill the Federal Reserve. But the Texas Republican now has the bulk of his colleagues standing alongside him in a fight against the central bank’s autonomy.
His bill to audit the Fed, just three pages long, has 274 co-sponsors — every House Republican and almost 100 Democrats — and counting. “People are upset,” he says. “People are demanding more transparency of the Fed, and they’re supporting me on this.”
The longtime Fed critic would prefer an economy without a central bank, where the market sets interest rates and troubled firms are left to sink. He blames the Fed for the past century’s financial bubbles and worries about its ability to monetize debt to finance government spending, even though Fed officials insist they’d never allow it.
Mr. Paul sees transparency as a first step in making the public more aware of the Fed’s ability to electronically print money to support the banking system. The revelations from an audit will “expose to the American people exactly how the Federal Reserve operates,” he says. “Because when they fully understand how they operate, what they do, how they manipulate monetary policy and interest rates, they will finally figure out that it’s the Fed that has caused all the mischief.”
Most of the lawmakers who have signed on as co-sponsors of the legislation don’t share Mr. Paul’s anti-Fed stance. They say Congress has an oversight role and needs a full accounting of how much money the Fed has lent — and to whom.
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Sujet: 1167 - Le Wall Street Journal 21/7/2009, 10:19
repond a 10 questions de base concernant le programme d'Assurance Nationale (je l'appelle Federale) propose par les Democrates
JULY 21, 2009
Ten Questions on the Health-Care Overhaul
The Effort to Change the System Enjoys More Support Than Past Attempts, but the Complications Are as Acute as Ever By JANET ADAMY
It is crunch time for health care. Lawmakers who are trying to fundamentally remake one-sixth of the U.S. economy say this might be the most complicated legislation they have undertaken. Here are some basics that everyone can grasp -- and probably ought to, because the health bill, if it passes, will affect almost everyone.
1. What is the problem with health care, anyway? Is it as bad as they say?
The problem, as advocates for change see it, boils down to two big areas: high costs and lack of coverage. For some households and employers, the cost of care already is out of reach, and many more will struggle to afford it if costs keep escalating. Medicare is eating up a bigger share of government spending, and a growing number of bankruptcies and home foreclosures are linked to medical expenses. Tim Bower
Health care reporter Janet Adamy discusses how lawmakers must balance the multiple interests of the health industry in order to draft sweeping legislation.
Even though the U.S. spends $2 trillion a year for health care, some 46 million people don't have health coverage. To be sure, that oft-cited number from the Census Bureau is somewhat misleading because it includes illegal immigrants, healthy young adults who don't think they need insurance and poor people who are eligible for Medicaid.
Still, as the recession wears on, the number of uninsured appears to be rising. One study, by the left-leaning Center for American Progress Action Fund, found that as many as 14,000 people are losing their health insurance every day because of job cuts. Families who have insurance pay an additional $1,000 a year in premiums to effectively subsidize all the people who receive care but don't pay for it, according to a separate study by the liberal group Families USA and actuarial consultancy Milliman Inc.
2. Can Democrats and Republicans agree on anything?
Actually, yes. There is broad support for changing the way hospitals and doctors are paid so that they are compensated for the quality of care they provide, not the quantity of procedures they do. Democrats and Republicans also back the idea of creating online marketplaces where consumers and small businesses can comparison-shop for plans.
Both parties want to bar insurance companies from denying coverage to people who are already sick. The insurers are willing to make that concession, as long as lawmakers also require most people to carry insurance, since that would force young, healthy people into the insurance system. It amounts to a twin mandate -- one on insurers to sell policies, and another on Americans to buy them. Although there are pockets of Republican opposition to the latter idea, both have enough bipartisan support to pass. These steps alone would represent big changes to the status quo.
3. Where are the main points of disagreement?
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Mayo Clinic calls House plan bad medicine
Obama loses support on reform By Christina Bellantoni (Contact) and Jennifer Haberkorn (Contact) | Tuesday, July 21, 2009
A world-renowned clinic that President Obama held up as an example of good medicine said Monday that the American people would be "losers" under the House's health care proposal, joining the growing chorus of critics the Obama administration is trying to fend off as the debate intensifies from Capitol Hill to Main Street.
Minnesota's not-for-profit Mayo Clinic, which Mr. Obama has repeatedly hailed as offering top quality care at affordable costs, blasted the House Democrats' version of the health care plan as lawmakers continue to grapple with several bills from each chamber and multiple committees. The Mayo Clinic said there are some positive elements of the bill, but overall "the proposed legislation misses the opportunity to help create higher quality, more affordable health care for patients."
"In fact, it will do the opposite," clinic officials said, because the proposals aren't [R]patient-focused or results-oriented. "The real losers will be the citizens of the United States." All day, Republicans took aim at Mr. Obama's weak spot as surveys showed that his poll numbers were slipping on the issue. Republican National Committee Chairman Michael S. Steele charged that the president's plan amounts to a "reckless experiment," dubbing it [JUMP]"socialism."
"He's conducting a dangerous experiment with our health care," Mr. Steele said at the National Press Club as the RNC started an ad campaign, which will run in Arkansas, Nevada and North Dakota using similar language.
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July 21, 2009 2:50 AM
Obama Administration Takes Aim At Gun-Rights Revolt Posted by Declan McCullagh
(CBS)
The Obama administration is raising the stakes in a fight over states' rights and firearm ownership by arguing that new pro-gun laws in Montana and Tennessee are invalid.
In the last few months, a grass-roots, federalist revolt against Washington, D.C. has begun to spread through states that are home to politically active gun owners. Montana and Tennessee have enacted state laws saying that federal rules do not apply to firearms manufactured entirely within the state, and similar bills are pending in Texas, Alaska, Minnesota, and South Carolina.
Yet the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Explosives now claims that that not only is such a state law invalid, but "because the act conflicts with federal firearms laws and regulations, federal law supersedes the act."
Would health care reform bring "greater inefficiencies" to the country's health care system?
That's exactly what Obama said Monday when he spoke about health care reform at the Childrens National Medical Center in Washington.
"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system," Obama said in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers. "And greater stability and security to America's families and businesses." The White House quickly recognized the mistake and inserted a "sic" in the remarks sent to reporters on Monday afternoon.
Josh Earnest, a White House deputy press secretary, said Obama "misspoke" in his remarks.
"Everyone knew exactly what he was saying," Earnest said.
Ah, si Pres. Bush 43 avait fait une telle erreur, on l'aurait trouvee en premiere page de tous les quotidiens
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Sujet: 1171 - Le Venezuela de Chavez 21/7/2009, 12:02
A State in Grip of Kidnappers and the Family of Jugo Chavez Scott Dalton for The New York Times
"This is what anarchy looks like, at least the type of anarchy where the family of Chávez accumulates wealth and power," said Ángel Santamaría, a Barinas cattleman whose 8-year-old son, Kusto, was held for ransom for 29 day By SIMON ROMERO Published: July 20, 2009
BARINAS, Venezuela— Stretching over vast cattle estates at the foothills of the Andes, Barinas is known for two things: as the bastion of the family of President Hugo Chávez and as the setting for a terrifying surge in abductions, making it a contender for Latin America’s most likely place to get kidnapped.
The New York Times
Barinas is the home region of the family of Hugo Chávez.
An intensifying nationwide crime wave over the past decade has pushed the kidnapping rate in Venezuela past Colombia’s and Mexico’s, with about 2 abductions per 100,000 inhabitants, according to the Interior Ministry.
But nowhere in Venezuela comes close in abductions to Barinas, with 7.2 kidnappings per 100,000 inhabitants, as armed gangs thrive off the disarray here while Mr. Chávez’s family tightens its grip on the state. Seizures of cattle ranches and crumbling infrastructure also contribute to the sense of low-intensity chaos.
Barinas offers a unique microcosm of Mr. Chávez’s rule. Many poor residents still revere the president, born here into poverty in 1954. But polarization in Barinas is growing more severe, with others chafing at his newly prosperous parents and siblings, who have governed the state since the 1990s. While Barinas is a laboratory for projects like land reform, urgent problems like violent crime go unmentioned in the many billboards here extolling the Chávez family’s ascendancy.
“This is what anarchy looks like, at least the type of anarchy where the family of Chávez accumulates wealth and power as the rest of us fear for our lives,” said Ángel Santamaría, 57, a cattleman in the town of Nueva Bolivia whose son, Kusto, 8, was kidnapped while walking to school in May. He was held for 29 days, until Mr. Santamaría gathered a small ransom to free him. ...
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Obama’s Strategy to Reverse Manufacturing’s Fall Peter Wynn Thompson for The New York Times
Douglas Bartlett recently closed his printed circuit board factory, Bartlett Manufacturing Company in Cary, Ill., because the property taxes were no longer affordable.
By LOUIS UCHITELLE Published: July 20, 2009
If the Obama administration has a strategy for reviving manufacturing, Douglas Bartlett would like to know what it is.
Buffeted by foreign competition, Mr. Bartlett recently closed his printed circuit board factory, founded 57 years ago by his father, and laid off the remaining 87 workers. Last week, he auctioned off the machinery, and soon he will raze the factory itself in Cary, Ill.
“The property taxes are no longer affordable,” Mr. Bartlett said glumly, “so I am going to tear down the building and sit on the land, and hopefully sell it after the recession when land prices hopefully rise.”
Though manufacturing has long been in decline, the loss of factory jobs has been especially brutal of late, with nearly two million disappearing since the recession began in December 2007. Even a few chief executives, heading companies that have shifted plenty of production abroad, are beginning to express alarm.
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Xunming Deng, a physicist and the chairman of the Xunlight Corporation, sees himself as a beneficiary of what he describes as the Obama administration’s more flexible loan guarantees. His factory in Toledo, Ohio, with 100 employees, is in the early stages of making solar panels, and Dr. Deng is already planning to quadruple the plant’s size. He has applied to the Energy Department for a $120 million loan guarantee. If he gets it, he will not have to pay the hefty fees charged for loan guarantees before Mr. Obama took office.
“Getting rid of that fee makes the loan guarantee very attractive and very helpful,” Dr. Deng said. “We can’t grow as fast without it.”
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Sujet: 1173 - Ahhh, evidemment dans ce cas... 21/7/2009, 13:37
White House gains momentum in F-22 fight By DAVID ROGERS | 7/21/09 4:33 AM EDT
With a vote set for high noon on Tuesday, the political tide in the Senate has shifted to now favor the White House and Pentagon in their pivotal fight to strike new procurement funds for the F-22 fighter.
Just last week, conventional wisdom held that the $1.75 billion authorization would easily survive a challenge on the floor. But fearful of embarrassing President Barack Obama, Democrats appear to be moving back toward the White House, which has mounted its own late-breaking campaign to win the last votes.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates is the public point man for the administration, making calls to senators and delivering a toughly worded speech last week in Chicago. But as the political stakes have become more evident, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has also begun working the phones, and Vice President Joe Biden last week even called his old friend, Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), an ardent F-22 backer.
It’s a fight some Democrats would argue that Obama was foolish to make, raising the stakes unnecessarily with early veto threats. But the F-22 termination is Gates’s signature issue in changing the Pentagon budget. Once committed, the prospect of a loss became more and more intolerable for Democrats, threatening to hurt the president’s standing at a time when he is already slipping in some polls and faces a difficult fight over health care reform
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Sujet: 1174 - 21/7/2009, 13:54
Rasmussen
La difference que 6 mois peuvent faire mais bon, il en reste encore 39, c'est loin! :
National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters July 18-19, 2009
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Les Cohortes Célestes ont le devoir et le regret de vous informer que Libres Propos est entré en sommeil. Ce forum convivial et sympathique reste uniquement accessible en lecture seule. Prenez plaisir à le consulter.
Merci de votre compréhension.
), pourtant grands defenseurs de l'environnement, ils refusent de laisser placer les "moulins a vent" sur leur district, par exemple (Leurs electeurs souhaitant que l'on fasse tout contre le "rechauffement climatique" mais pas dans leur jardin).
(vous aurez remarque mon utilisation de la fleur, c'est mon cote Vert!) 
The richest of the rich in 10 U.S. states could see combined tax rates of more than 54.3 percent if the proposed health care surtax becomes law.
Scott Dalton for The New York Times
Peter Wynn Thompson for The New York Times